Wednesday, November 11, 2009

ZIOH Members!

This is in reference to a zero carb online diet forum.

ZIOH members, don’t you see how you are being treated? You deserve so much better!

I’ll paraphrase the stuff the forum ‘master’ has been saying to you:

* Post only successes, never failures – if you’re failing you’re not on plan.
* Don’t ask questions.
* You have nothing to offer.
* But write prolifically in your journal – except it’s not YOUR journal, it’s mine. I’ll edit anything I don’t care for.
* Speak when spoken to.
* Don’t object when abuse is heaped on you.
* Don’t step in when you see a fellow member being abused.
* Give respect but don’t expect it.
* Be subservient.
* Accept emotional abuse.
* Accept verbal abuse.
* Mind your place.
* Don’t quote when you reply.
* Don’t chatter.
* Don’t encourage each other.
* Don’t ask for support.
* Post only successes.
* My way or get out.
* My way or I’ll throw you out.
* “We” want… “We” want… To hell with what you want.
* I don’t care what you have to say.
* You have no value.
* Don't talk about exercise.
* Don't question the rules.
* Don't ask for clarification on the rules.
* Months of explosive diarrhea doesn't mean the diet isn't optimal!
* Ignore the massive muscle cramping and hair loss. Remember, you have never felt better, and don't tell me otherwise!

Who does he think he is?

Some of you who are tolerating this crap were absolutely shocked & appalled when LCF would step in and enforce their terms of service. Some of you were abused similarly by Heidi Diaz, and thoroughly denounced her as well. Small potatoes compared to this! So why do you tolerate this? Don’t you see that this forum ‘master’ is eventually going to turn on YOU? Yet keep all your content, all your journals, all your posts, as his property. He’s made that very clear.

WHY do you stay when you’re being treated so rudely? Have some self-respect! Take a little control! Would you EVER – EVER – let anyone in your real life treat you this way?

This ‘man’ does not have the corner on the market for zc, ultra low carb, or any other diet OR in the support forums. If you can’t find one you like, work together and create one. There are a lot of free forum hosting sites and message boards out there. Most are simple to use. Create a forum, make it private or public, and create your own rules. Frankly, HIS rules reflect his true nature as an unstable domineering jerk.

Please, please find a safer place to be!

Edited to add:

SUSAN and KATELYN, are you really going to let Suzanne do that to you? Do you really want to hang out at a forum where the master allows - no, encourages - forum admins to treat people like that? In fact, he'll probably be arriving shortly to join the dog pile. You both deserve better.

KELLY, you have been told you aren't good enough but are welcome to reapply when you are. You deserve better.

LAURIE, I guess you're proof that Charles will turn on anyone. Even people who have helped him build his forum. Are you going to take that? You deserve better.

BRUNO, you're an adult. Expect to be treated like one. You're treated to details about Charles' sex life, but you can't choose to write something about your family in your own journal. Ridiculous. You deserve better.

21 comments:

mariasol said...

Very accurate description of that forum. It would be funny, if it wasn't so sad. The members seem to be highly intelligent. Why are they accepting this treatment?

OhYeahBabe said...

Well, intelligence doesn't necessarily protect you from being mistreated. Battered women's shelters are full of intelligent people. People who have weight issues can have vulnerabilities. I know I do. When someone lures you in with statements like "nobody else understands you, but I do", and 'it's not safe anywhere but here', it can really suck you in.

OhYeahBabe said...

Whoa... did you see that they even choose your user name for you there now?

2big4mysize said...

and your journal name and first post. can you imagine a newbie alreay in the confused state of what do I do and how do i do it trying to log in with a nic they can't remeber to find a journal they don't own and can't use the search button to find cause they don't know what it is called?

I tell you by the time I finally got on site a nice post about my ZC experience would not be the first words out of my mouth espically in MY journal!

OhYeahBabe said...

Yeah, well, he doesn't need new people. He needs successes. ONLY successes. 6 months of cheap ground beef and water only. Then you may have earned credibility, though you're still subservient. The credibility vanishes if you vent about having a tough week staying on plan, or have any medical concerns. Talk about needing a vitamin because you're coming down with a cold, and you're threatened with being banned.

mariasol said...

"Talk about needing a vitamin because you're coming down with a cold, and you're threatened with being banned."
Not only "threatened" it seems. She was banned. There was nothing obvious in her journal (she stopped talking about vitamins) so I assume they read PM's and she said something there that wasn't acceptable. Charles official reason for banning her was that "she isn't doing ZC and hasn't for some time."

cleochatra said...

I tell you what. I fled that forum a long time ago and took as many with me as I could.

More and more contact me all the time from that place, letting me know they made it out safely.

Thanks for speaking out about the dysfunction and the sexism and the other issues of absolute concern there which make it a very frightening, cult-like group of (thankfully) very few people.

Kath McMahon said...

I popped into my old journal on there the other night, as I'm detoxing from diet coke as my first steps back into low carb, remembering that it was an ok site at the start of the year support wise. Boy oh boy.

I didn't get a welcome back, I got told by C that he didn't know what to do because I'd slid under the radar, and as I wasn't Zero Carb at the moment, he would probably have to cancel my membership.

My thoughts instantly were, "Well go ahead, who wants to be around this insanity?"

OhYeahBabe said...

There's been a lot of change there, huh Kath? I wish you well with whatever better spot you decide to land on. I'm sorry you were treated badly. Sorry but not surprised!

2big4mysize said...

Sir Charles is building a forum for who knows what.It certainly isn't for supporting and encouraging newbies nor struggling ZC fok who have been attacked by toxic high carb foods that have weakened them to the point they ate some carbs.
Today I saw a journal post from somebody who was struggling to control their carb eating while on a medication that can mess with blood sugar controls and make one crave carbs. She posted she was weaning off them both the carbs she had binged on and the medication as a stepping stone back to ZC.

Instead of welcoming his struggling member with open arms and encouraging her and sharing information about the medication she was weaning off and its effect on ZC eating which he as the all knowing leader of the ZC site should have been aware of he tells her she isn't worthy right now to be a member of his site and bans her.

What a hypocrit. All he wants in his forum is vetern ZC eaters who have absolutely no issues staying on ZC by the rules for ZC eating he keeps chamging.

How well I remember Charles posting that the eating plan one was on for the majority of the time was their plan.
Based on that Charels could indulge in the desserts he had his former wife fix which he posted about on another forum and still tell folk he was ZC.

But not so on his new ZC. Now you better eat ZC 365 days a yr every meal every snack or you can't be a member of his forum.

OhYeahBabe said...

Charles should insist that member turn over her medication she's weaning from, because he needs it himself.

2big4mysize said...

I'm waiting for the day those not eating a tube of ground beef as their fat and protein source are banned

2big4mysize said...

I'm waiting for the day those not eating a tube of ground beef as their fat and protein source are banned

frogfarm said...

I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of ZIOH. I am a happy, independent and successful ZC'er. I consider your interpretation of events to be a deluded attempt at feces-disturbing. Charles is no pied piper guru, and his forum members are no idiot children or sheep in search of a leader.

LynMarie Daye said...

Very well put!

IMO, a couple of the posters over there would make great ZC forum leaders. I'm thinking particularly of Erasmus (sp?). He's intelligent, educated in biochemistry, level-headed, and intellectually honest. Of course, he's usually shouted down and even ridiculed by many of the more vocal members, but he definitely has a lot of fans who cheer him on!

OhYeahBabe said...

Thanks for stopping by, FrogFarm. You get that I wasn't taking a swipe at your diet, right? You are greatly exaggerating what I've said here. I didn't call anyone stupid or blind. I just pointed out that there are other options that don't involve being belittled and oppressed. I didn't make any of this stuff up. What would I stand to gain by that? I could go and dig up examples for everthing I've said, but I won't. My opinion is based on my observations of the site. I'm not sure why you'd defend a site you don't participate in, but I'm sure you have your reasons. My best to you.

OhYeahBabe said...

Hi LynMarie. I agree with you about Erasmus and some of the other members being great leaders. Perhaps they are more 'lead from where you are' type people but I think it would be great if they had a forum of their own!

Bruno said...

Just to make it clear, my posts were not edited and the post that Charles found problematic was regarding weight lifting.

OhYeahBabe said...

You're right, Bruno. But when you mentioned a post about your family, Charles did say "All this forum is interested in is your ZC experience and that's what we want to see." He continued on and contradcted himeself somewhat. I guess he'll tolerate it from you provided you don't say anything good about exercise.

I hope I didn't put you in an uncomfortable position, Bruno. I like you!

As Charles indicated, there are probably other forums where you can talk about zc AND other topics that matter to you. If being careful about what you talk about and where and how is comforting to you somehow, then I think I misjudged you.

Erasmus said...

Rather than just bag on one site, perhaps if you were to post on the benefits of some of the other sites? Or maybe just list them? :)

-E

OhYeahBabe said...

I'm not familiar enough with other sites to talk about their benefits but if you have recommendations I'd be happy to share them. Thanks, E!